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	<title>Comments on: RIAForge, demos and the non-Coldfusion Community</title>
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		<title>By: Charlie Arehart</title>
		<link>http://neilmiddleton.com/2007/10/08/riaforge-demos-and-the-non-coldfusion-community/#comment-44680</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Arehart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks, I'd like to add a comment here, since I was a member of the team Brian's blog entry was referring to (one of 3 groups in the room that day). 

First, with respect to the option on building demo apps, while there's a point there saying "put this on RIAForge", that was not the intent. At  least not mine, and it was my idea. The key bullet said "look at Yahoo! UI stuff, integration with Amazon.com web services, etc.--anything that shows how you do things in Java, PHP, .NET, etc.--we should duplicate this in CF". 

I meant very definitely that we should build those apps ON THOSE SITES so that folks seeing them there would see them being done in CFML. Everyone in the group agreed with the value of that approach. I think Matt (who was taking notes) may have added the RIAFORGE point as someone else spoke it. He was having to type pretty furiously.

That leads to a second important point about the list: these points were not "a strategy" but rather they were a summation of the brainstorming that the team did. I mean, yes, Brian had asked each group to come up with a strategy (picking the top 2 ideas as voted by each group), but again Matt went ahead and wrote more (nothing wrong with that, as long as the intent is understood.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, I&#8217;d like to add a comment here, since I was a member of the team Brian&#8217;s blog entry was referring to (one of 3 groups in the room that day). </p>
<p>First, with respect to the option on building demo apps, while there&#8217;s a point there saying &#8220;put this on RIAForge&#8221;, that was not the intent. At  least not mine, and it was my idea. The key bullet said &#8220;look at Yahoo! UI stuff, integration with Amazon.com web services, etc.&#8211;anything that shows how you do things in Java, PHP, .NET, etc.&#8211;we should duplicate this in CF&#8221;. </p>
<p>I meant very definitely that we should build those apps ON THOSE SITES so that folks seeing them there would see them being done in CFML. Everyone in the group agreed with the value of that approach. I think Matt (who was taking notes) may have added the RIAFORGE point as someone else spoke it. He was having to type pretty furiously.</p>
<p>That leads to a second important point about the list: these points were not &#8220;a strategy&#8221; but rather they were a summation of the brainstorming that the team did. I mean, yes, Brian had asked each group to come up with a strategy (picking the top 2 ideas as voted by each group), but again Matt went ahead and wrote more (nothing wrong with that, as long as the intent is understood.)</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Meloche</title>
		<link>http://neilmiddleton.com/2007/10/08/riaforge-demos-and-the-non-coldfusion-community/#comment-41847</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Meloche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to be clear, the recommendations came from those who participated and not yours truly.  I only set up the BOF to help make the recommendations.

That said, I personally agree that RIAForge is not the best place.  In fact, there shouldn't BE a single place.  We should post things everywhere, but in a concerted and coordinated effort, targeting anywhere that non-ColdFusion developers congregate on the web.

Another thing, the group was focusing on developers, not IT managers.  That was another group.  That group's results aren't fully flushed out, but I'll probably post their bullet points on my blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to be clear, the recommendations came from those who participated and not yours truly.  I only set up the BOF to help make the recommendations.</p>
<p>That said, I personally agree that RIAForge is not the best place.  In fact, there shouldn&#8217;t BE a single place.  We should post things everywhere, but in a concerted and coordinated effort, targeting anywhere that non-ColdFusion developers congregate on the web.</p>
<p>Another thing, the group was focusing on developers, not IT managers.  That was another group.  That group&#8217;s results aren&#8217;t fully flushed out, but I&#8217;ll probably post their bullet points on my blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Priest</title>
		<link>http://neilmiddleton.com/2007/10/08/riaforge-demos-and-the-non-coldfusion-community/#comment-41844</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Priest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I blogged about #1 awhile ago - the CF community needs to preach about the wonders of ColdFusion OUTSIDE the CF community :)  I've been surfing DZone, Ajaxian, etc lately and you rarely see a CF related post - actually there is no ColdFusion tag on DZone (!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I blogged about #1 awhile ago - the CF community needs to preach about the wonders of ColdFusion OUTSIDE the CF community <img src='http://neilmiddleton.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;ve been surfing DZone, Ajaxian, etc lately and you rarely see a CF related post - actually there is no ColdFusion tag on DZone (!)</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil,

I wholeheartedly agree with your points. Especially about keeping CF from becoming an island.  I see the attractiveness of organizing ColdFusion open source, and I love RIAForge. That said, I think we can do more to promote ColdFusion products and applications in commonly accessed intellectual spheres on the Internet.

I'll be consulting with the other members of the Kalendar team about what we can do to promote Kalendar in other arenas.

DW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil,</p>
<p>I wholeheartedly agree with your points. Especially about keeping CF from becoming an island.  I see the attractiveness of organizing ColdFusion open source, and I love RIAForge. That said, I think we can do more to promote ColdFusion products and applications in commonly accessed intellectual spheres on the Internet.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be consulting with the other members of the Kalendar team about what we can do to promote Kalendar in other arenas.</p>
<p>DW</p>
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		<title>By: What Adobe could do to promote ColdFusion at Musings of a Web Developer</title>
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		<dc:creator>What Adobe could do to promote ColdFusion at Musings of a Web Developer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 13:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] An interesting post here talks about getting CFML applications and projects on Sourceforge rather than RIAforge. I think both are good, but being an open source proponent I spend quite a bit of time over at Sourceforge and think it would be a great idea. A lot of people who work with the web aren&#8217;t developers but need to find forum scripts and similar. If I need free software then Sourceforge is the first place I look.   Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] An interesting post here talks about getting CFML applications and projects on Sourceforge rather than RIAforge. I think both are good, but being an open source proponent I spend quite a bit of time over at Sourceforge and think it would be a great idea. A lot of people who work with the web aren&#8217;t developers but need to find forum scripts and similar. If I need free software then Sourceforge is the first place I look.   Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</p>
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