Comments on: ..An open question to Adobe http://neilmiddleton.com/2007/07/30/an-open-question-to-adobe/ Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:19:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Radek http://neilmiddleton.com/2007/07/30/an-open-question-to-adobe/#comment-32321 Radek Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:31:31 +0000 http://blog.feed-squirrel.com/2007/07/30/an-open-question-to-adobe/#comment-32321 I'm writing big application right now. It was built on ColdFusion 8 beta. But when Adobe released final version and published prices I... started to rewrite everything to Java. And I have to say I'm really happy. At least I will learn Java better :) Thank you Adobe! I’m writing big application right now. It was built on ColdFusion 8 beta. But when Adobe released final version and published prices I… started to rewrite everything to Java.
And I have to say I’m really happy. At least I will learn Java better :) Thank you Adobe!

]]> By: Neil http://neilmiddleton.com/2007/07/30/an-open-question-to-adobe/#comment-28108 Neil Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:20:28 +0000 http://blog.feed-squirrel.com/2007/07/30/an-open-question-to-adobe/#comment-28108 @Andy - I do realise how expensive some of the enterprise apps are, we have a few with seven figure prices. My point is purely this, why has it increased? @Andy - I do realise how expensive some of the enterprise apps are, we have a few with seven figure prices. My point is purely this, why has it increased?

]]> By: Andy Allan http://neilmiddleton.com/2007/07/30/an-open-question-to-adobe/#comment-28106 Andy Allan Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:15:56 +0000 http://blog.feed-squirrel.com/2007/07/30/an-open-question-to-adobe/#comment-28106 Here in the UK we are only seeing a £300 increase on Enterprise. If you start taking exchange rate into consideration, the overall pricing looks worse, but that's prodominantly because the Pound is stomping all over the Dollar (2.02 to the pound compared to 1.34 five years ago). You have to remember that ColdFusion is *Enterprise* level software so you expect to pay for it, but compared to software such as Websphere or Weblogic, ColdFusion as an Enterprise solution is a complete steal. If you can't see that, then seriously, re-evaulate where you and your business stand. Here in the UK we are only seeing a £300 increase on Enterprise.

If you start taking exchange rate into consideration, the overall pricing looks worse, but that’s prodominantly because the Pound is stomping all over the Dollar (2.02 to the pound compared to 1.34 five years ago).

You have to remember that ColdFusion is *Enterprise* level software so you expect to pay for it, but compared to software such as Websphere or Weblogic, ColdFusion as an Enterprise solution is a complete steal.

If you can’t see that, then seriously, re-evaulate where you and your business stand.

]]> By: Alex http://neilmiddleton.com/2007/07/30/an-open-question-to-adobe/#comment-27929 Alex Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:55:42 +0000 http://blog.feed-squirrel.com/2007/07/30/an-open-question-to-adobe/#comment-27929 Better, well thats a sweeping statement, better how, tell that to the big CF clients migrating away. Better, well thats a sweeping statement, better how, tell that to the big CF clients migrating away.

]]> By: David http://neilmiddleton.com/2007/07/30/an-open-question-to-adobe/#comment-27889 David Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:05:05 +0000 http://blog.feed-squirrel.com/2007/07/30/an-open-question-to-adobe/#comment-27889 Well Jim, personally, I think it's worth it - but that's for each individual to assess. $1500 here in the northeast is 15 - 25 hours worth of consulting fees. The testing we've done shows that the new features aren't just a little better, they are exponentially better - specifically, quicker development time and time to market. Now, that affords us several conpetitive advantages, not to mention the savings in reduced development time. That additional $1500 is paid up front, but is an investment that lasts years. Now, do I WANT to pay more? Absolutely not! However, lets put things in perspective. It's a better product, and people expect to pay more for better products. That's all I'm saying. Well Jim, personally, I think it’s worth it - but that’s for each individual to assess. $1500 here in the northeast is 15 - 25 hours worth of consulting fees. The testing we’ve done shows that the new features aren’t just a little better, they are exponentially better - specifically, quicker development time and time to market. Now, that affords us several conpetitive advantages, not to mention the savings in reduced development time. That additional $1500 is paid up front, but is an investment that lasts years.

Now, do I WANT to pay more? Absolutely not! However, lets put things in perspective. It’s a better product, and people expect to pay more for better products. That’s all I’m saying.

]]> By: Jim Priest http://neilmiddleton.com/2007/07/30/an-open-question-to-adobe/#comment-27882 Jim Priest Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:17:37 +0000 http://blog.feed-squirrel.com/2007/07/30/an-open-question-to-adobe/#comment-27882 Great point about supply and demand! If indeed they are selling more - they should be able to lower the price (ala Wal-Mart). While I'm no longer in an environment where I purchase software - I'd be feeling really chapped right now if I had to go to my boss and now tell him that all those fancy features I've been telling him about for the last few months in CF8 are going to cost an additional $1500. Given the fact we had several servers (as I imagine most development/hosting shops have) this extra cost could be really steep. Is the extra performance and new features worth that? I honestly don't know if I could say yes... Great point about supply and demand! If indeed they are selling more - they should be able to lower the price (ala Wal-Mart).

While I’m no longer in an environment where I purchase software - I’d be feeling really chapped right now if I had to go to my boss and now tell him that all those fancy features I’ve been telling him about for the last few months in CF8 are going to cost an additional $1500. Given the fact we had several servers (as I imagine most development/hosting shops have) this extra cost could be really steep. Is the extra performance and new features worth that? I honestly don’t know if I could say yes…

]]> By: David http://neilmiddleton.com/2007/07/30/an-open-question-to-adobe/#comment-27879 David Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:08:54 +0000 http://blog.feed-squirrel.com/2007/07/30/an-open-question-to-adobe/#comment-27879 Maye they charge it because they know customers will pay for it (the true test of what something's worth). I know my company will, and, yes Dale, because it's better. It's not just a little better than anything else out there, it's infinitely better than anything else that's out there. Enterprise software is meant for the enterprise - we don't go all belly up because we spend a few grand more for a one-time software purchase. David Maye they charge it because they know customers will pay for it (the true test of what something’s worth). I know my company will, and, yes Dale, because it’s better. It’s not just a little better than anything else out there, it’s infinitely better than anything else that’s out there.

Enterprise software is meant for the enterprise - we don’t go all belly up because we spend a few grand more for a one-time software purchase.

David

]]> By: Dale Fraser http://neilmiddleton.com/2007/07/30/an-open-question-to-adobe/#comment-27850 Dale Fraser Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:01:40 +0000 http://blog.feed-squirrel.com/2007/07/30/an-open-question-to-adobe/#comment-27850 Exactly, I hate how the CF die hards will come out and spin a lot of crap about how it's better etc. Who cares, it is supposed to be better, thats what a new version is, if it wasn't better it wouldn't be an upgrade. Read my Blog if you want some more fuel, I have no idea how on one hand they make Flex free then do this. A goldern opportunity missed forever! Exactly,

I hate how the CF die hards will come out and spin a lot of crap about how it’s better etc. Who cares, it is supposed to be better, thats what a new version is, if it wasn’t better it wouldn’t be an upgrade.

Read my Blog if you want some more fuel, I have no idea how on one hand they make Flex free then do this.

A goldern opportunity missed forever!

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